controls near a space station

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Cobra1984
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controls near a space station

 

Hi Philipp,

I've noticed a slight problem / inconsistency when approaching and leaving a space station.

The problem is to do with the button cluster on the top right, when in flight, near a space station.

As I don't know what some of the button cluster items are officially called, here's some terms I've made up to explain the problem:

Info button (button with "i" and a blue Cobra spaceship)
Jump button (button with picture of starfield to engage 7ly jump)
Time warp button (button with picture of starfield overlaid with egg timer icon; to engage a "perceived" speed up in time)
Dock button (engage docking computer)
S = Space station nearby indicator

Below I'll ignore the jump button and info button they work OK in all circumstances.

1. Here's what you get in free space after jumping to a planetary system:
Time warp button
No dock button
No S
(OK)

2. Here's what you get when the space station appears on the edge of the radar in front of you:
Time warp button
No dock button
No S
(OK)

3. Here's what you get when the space station is a quarter of the way in on the radar in front of you, or closer:
No time warp button
Dock button*
S for space station
(OK)

4. Turn around and head away from the space station.
Here's what you get when the space station is approaching the edge of the radar again
Time warp button
No dock button
No S
(OK)


All OK so far.. now dock with the space station and launch again. DO NOT PRESS THE JUMP BUTTON.


5. Here's what you get after leaving a space station:
No time warp button
Dock button*
S for space station
(OK)

6. Here's what you get when the space station is approaching the edge of the radar again
No time warp button
Dock button*
S for space station
(Not OK)

7. Here's what you get when the space station is finally off the radar
No time warp button
Dock button*
S for space station
(Not OK)

8. With the space station still off the radar, press the dock button and the docking computer will engage
(Not OK as the Dock button should not be available)


* = Assuming you have a docking computer

So to summarise, when you leave a space station but do not jump to another planet, the following problems occur:
- the time warp button is never available
- auto docking is still possible when the space station is out of range (particularly when the Docking Computer option is set to Fast)

To fix these problems, the Time warp button, Dock button and Space station nearby indicator in use cases 6 and 7, should be set the same as in use case 4.

HTH, Tim

P.S. I imagine this problem particularly affecting asteroid miners. They find a planet with lots of asteroids (Poor industrial perhaps? Rich industrial would already have mined them...) and make their home there, but cannot jump to the asteroids due to this bug. (On the plus side though, they could dock quickly afterwards!)

Stardust
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Works for me

Hmm. I tried to reproduce this, but it works on my device:

Launched. Now I had a Docking button, no time warp, and an S. I flew towards the outer border and after a certain distance, rhe S vanished and so did the docking button and the time warp button occurs.

Did you do anything else? In which system did the problem occur?

Did you, by any chance, fly towards the planet? In this case your described behavior would be ok, the safe zone is a sphere with its center being at the planet, so, depending on your flight direction, the distance to the station may be very far and you might still be inside the safe zone.

Cheers,
Philipp

Cobra1984
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The manual says the safe zone is around the space station.

 

"Did you, by any chance, fly towards the planet? In this case your described behavior would be ok, the safe zone is a sphere with its center being at the planet, so, depending on your flight direction, the distance to the station may be very far and you might still be inside the safe zone."

Yep - that's exactly what I did... but I didn't expect the flight behaviour we both observed.

So now I've checked the library.

On the Console Readings page, it says "S refers to the space station and indicates that you are on target for it and within it's protective range (the safe zone)."

And on the Safety Zone page, it says "The Orbit space around any Coriolis Space Station is safe. The station's own defences will come to your immediate assistance. Entry to safety zone is signalled with a large "S" on the astrogation console.

On the Docking Computer page, it does not say when the docking computer button should be visible... but it makes sense that the button should only be visible when your ship is close to the space station (which is not the case at the moment).

So I agree with the manual, in that the safe zone should be around the space station, and not the planet.

And I also think that the docking computer should only be available when you are near the space station (at the moment it would still be possible to engage the docking computer when you are on the opposite side of the planet)!

Another side effect of the way it works at the moment, is that if I leave the space station and travel away from the door side, then I will have to wait far, far longer to engage the jump drive, than if I travel away from the space station on the non-door side.

It just doesn't make sense.

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Stardust
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Your observations are correct

Your observations are correct -- but it's just the way it is implemented on the Amiga (including the misleading reference in the manual).

But yes: Flying towards the planet will not allow you to use jump drive. Better fly off towards the sun.

Changing the Safe Zone to be centered around the station, would not be hard (almost trivial), but in this case, I prefer the classic solution of the Amiga version. Sorry :)